Question on Westsail fin, hull area and yard stand size

  • October 15, 2024 7:30 PM
    Message # 13419466

    Ahoy! I keep seeing images of this Fin on several Westsail's but can't find any information on them. This image is from Pygmailion. (D. King fairing is planned)

    I'm in the process of trying to buy a Westsail 32 and planning repairs and upgrades so I am collecting estimates for my budget.   1) Does anyone know the area of the hull under the water line for paint estimates and Dustless sandblasting. 2) I need to replace the standing rigging with 9/32 wire and want to get general estimate of the number feet of wire. 3) Finally since I will be moving the W32 to my yard, which are better the 4' or 5' stands? (And I'm sure I will have a ton more questions). Thanks Van

  • October 16, 2024 4:07 PM
    Reply # 13419929 on 13419466
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    Ahoy! I keep seeing images of this Fin on several Westsail's but can't find any information on them. This image is from Pygmailion. (D. King fairing is planned)

    I'm in the process of trying to buy a Westsail 32 and planning repairs and upgrades so I am collecting estimates for my budget.   1) Does anyone know the area of the hull under the water line for paint estimates and Dustless sandblasting. 2) I need to replace the standing rigging with 9/32 wire and want to get general estimate of the number feet of wire. 3) Finally since I will be moving the W32 to my yard, which are better the 4' or 5' stands? (And I'm sure I will have a ton more questions). Thanks Van

    Van: 

    1. the exact area is unknown - but I use 1.25 Gallons of bottom paint per layer. Last haul out I sanded to the gel coat, added 3 coats of bottom epoxy, and 2 coats of bottom paint. 

    2. Standing rigging -- I would recommend you talk to a rigger for that information. 

    3. I'll assume your location is good about boats in the back yard:) I don't really know that size needed but the bottom of the keel is 5.5' to 6' from the water line. 

    As far as estimates for a budget goes -- what ever you estimate - pad it by 100% at least. Same with the estimated time to finish. A boat is full of surprises that need attention and since this is all custom work it takes a lot of time to. Of course your skills as a plumber, carpenter, electrician, painter, sander, epoxy/fiberglass guy etc etc also counts. 

    I would recommend spending your money on a boat that is ready to go. Meaning it is in the water and you can run the engine and sail the boat before purchase. For sure have a marine survey and review it carefully. 

    All of this is IMHO after 25 years working on Pygmalion mostly in the water. 

    Jay Bietz

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/HEnriLa2UukmDFAZ7 my latest haul out 

  • October 16, 2024 5:40 PM
    Reply # 13419954 on 13419466

    Ha! Yes that is excellent advice that I may not take!! The boat I’m looking at is a wreck and will take a lot of work (and I’m sure a lot of money) I just hate seeing the old girl go to Valhalla!! I’m also interested in learning how to do all the work and fix all the systems, so that’s my excuse! No good deed goes unpunished!!! Thanks for the reply!

  • October 16, 2024 5:59 PM
    Reply # 13419961 on 13419466

    Do you have any information on the keel fin ? Looks like Pygmalion has it! Is it for lift? Speed or was it a modification that did nothing? Thanks 

  • October 17, 2024 5:13 PM
    Reply # 13420442 on 13419466

    Hello Van.    I hope this may be helpful:   1). Same answer as Jay.   2). 292 ft, 1 1/8 in of 9/32 in wire.  This is measured as “eye to eye” and DOES NOT account for the type of terminals used.  Example:  Swages are different than Sta-Loks.  Also.  Turnbuckles vary in length by about 3 inches.  My measurements are for the wire and terminals.  Not a turnbuckle.   In addition there is about 8 ft 6 in of 3/8 in for the Bobstay,  22 ft 8 in for 2  3/16 in  for whisker stays,  and about 19 ft 5 1/4 in of 1/8 in for 2 spreader lifts,      3) I would use the 5 ft Jack stands as the boat will need to be up on blocks at least 6 inches.  ( more is better).   Good luck,     Dave

  • October 17, 2024 9:15 PM
    Reply # 13420487 on 13419466

    Thanks a ton! I have a good location to do the work in an industrial yard that’s gated and surveilled; I’m trying to make as accurate account for what it will cost and I do realize it will be more.  But hey, I don’t belong to a snazzy golf club with all their dues and fees so I have to blow some money on a semi good cause! I’ll have little help from my buddies as they are useless corporate types! They will have countless hours of ridicule at my expense so I feel like I’m giving back too! 

    Last modified: October 17, 2024 9:17 PM | Anonymous member
  • October 18, 2024 12:46 PM
    Reply # 13420792 on 13419961
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    Do you have any information on the keel fin ? Looks like Pygmalion has it! Is it for lift? Speed or was it a modification that did nothing? Thanks 

    Van:

    Check out my reply to your other message here.. https://www.westsail.org/askbudforum/13418599#13419923

  • October 23, 2024 8:50 AM
    Reply # 13422530 on 13419466

    Ok, Gentlemen, I have asked a bunch of questions and received really good responses, as 'quid pro quo' if you all need any help with anything let me know. I live in the Southern California area and if I am able, I'll do want I can to assist.(Plus I have a ton more questions)

    Van

  • October 23, 2024 8:50 AM
    Reply # 13422531 on 13419466

    Ok, Gentlemen, I have asked a bunch of questions and received really good responses, as 'quid pro quo' if you all need any help with anything let me know. I live in the Southern California area and if I am able, I'll do want I can to assist.(Plus I have a ton more questions)

    Van

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