W32 Internal Rudder Construction

  • December 30, 2013 7:06 PM
    Message # 1465366
    Deleted user
    If one wanted to drill holes in the W32 Rudder at its lowest point to check for water intrusion where would one drill?
    I thought there was an internal view of the rudder in the construction manual but am having no luck.
    Any help?
    Thanks,
    Carl 
  • January 04, 2014 12:38 PM
    Reply # 1467888 on 1465366
    Deleted user
    I drilled into the bottom of the rudder.
  • January 05, 2014 1:00 AM
    Reply # 1468103 on 1465366
    Deleted user
    Chris,
    Did water come out the bottom?
  • January 05, 2014 6:32 AM
    Reply # 1468141 on 1465366
    Deleted user
    I'm very interested in this topic because on haulout after 4 years in fresh water the only blisters were on the rudder which had a miriad of small pimples.  The hull was absolutely clear.  Am wondering if the blistering occurred from the inside out, or the rudder just wasn't properly coated with barrier.
  • January 05, 2014 12:31 PM
    Reply # 1468235 on 1465366
    Deleted user

    I have rebuilt and repaired a split in my rudder. I got the impression it is filled with closed cell foam as the rudder seemed not to hold water in spite of the damage. I found my rudder very heavy on the helm and after checking the alignment found the pintals and gudgeons where out of alignment both on the rudder and hull. This was causing straining as there are three sets of fittings out of alignment. Thus I fitted a slightly smaller pin in the middle fitting and hey presto a nice free helm no straining and no water behind the fittings. Hope this helps Also my Aries works better. Regards John Pound W32 Immamou Emsworth UK

  • January 05, 2014 1:48 PM
    Reply # 1468271 on 1465366
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    There is a detailed Members FAQ Here .. in short having water in the rudder is "normal" ie most boats have water in the rudder... 

    The pimples on the rudder - I have those also and after ~40 years doesn't seem to be an issue.  I've also noticed that the rudder is IMHO off center - that is annoying as this exposes the port side of the rudder leading edge.  

    Another question is why the rudder is thicker then the hull where it attaches and there is a large gap - this leads to the hull fairing modification that Dave King pioneered.  

    Others have added 4-5 lbs of weight to the rudder so it is neutrally buoyant - some have also faired the trailing edge. 

    Jay
    Last modified: January 05, 2014 1:49 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • January 31, 2014 7:33 AM
    Reply # 1487397 on 1465366
    The early W32 rudders, with the rounded trailing edge, had skins of cloth and resin layed up in a mold, each half filled with fiberglass mishmash (asbestos powder and resin), then joined together.  These used stainless pintals and gudgeons.

    Sometime in 1973 we made a new mold, with the straight trailing edge, with pockets for bronze pintal pins, and made fiberglass gudgeons.  These were contracted and made made by another company in Costa Mesa that specialized in rudder construction.  They layed up skins in the two halves, joined the mold together, then injected closed cell foam into the mold. 

    The rudders have stood up fairly well, with some separation along the centerline, and some blistering noted.  Most of this has been taken care of in repairs done to these rudders.  Some owners have added lead weight to the aft lower trailing edge to better balance the floatation forces of the rudder.  Dave King has done a modification to the aft end of the hull to close up the gap and smooth the waterflow between the hull and rudder, and this has shown a marked improvement in boat speed and handling.

    I have an order for a new rudder from one owner whoses rudder could not be easily repaired, and I know a company that specializes in replacement rudders, keels, and tillers that plans to make a one-off rudder for him later this spring.  They could build a mold if there were more orders for replacement rudders, and bring the cost down from making a one-off rudder.

    If any W32 owner is interested in having a new rudder made, please contact me at  bud@westsail.com..


  • April 23, 2014 7:41 AM
    Reply # 1542350 on 1465366
    We are going ahead with the construction of a new rudder.  If any other owners also need a new rudder, now is the time to get an order in, and save some money by building more than one at this time.

    Contact me at  bud@westsail.com