What was Westsail thinking.

  • November 10, 2011 8:52 AM
    Message # 746781
    Anonymous
    Lets see...  build a hatch in the cockpit for future replacement of the ships powerplant,  but DONT build any conceivable/reasonable method of replacing diesel tanks and water tanks in the vessel.  Lets build a hull around the tank system.  That was an intelligent design

    OK my rant is over.   What are some ideas that people have come up with to remove and replace tanks without gutting the interior.

    Signed

    W42 with failing fuel tank in puget sound.

    Thanks in advance for anyone's comments/ideas.
  • November 10, 2011 11:51 AM
    Reply # 746914 on 746781
    Deleted user
    We had to cut out our port tank (with a grinder)... starboard one is still holding on (fingers crossed!).  We put in a containment wall, and a flexible fuel tank.  Still a few kinks to work out because gravity always empties the solid tank first, but short of removing large parts of the engine there was no way around it.  I have heard of other westsails that got it out in one piece, but we measured, and twisted, and contorted, and tried (despite our calculations), and without cutting away fiberglass or removing the engine, no way on our boat.  (We have a Volvo Penta - there might be more room to do it with a newer/smaller engine.)  Best of luck!
    Meaghan
  • November 11, 2011 12:48 PM
    Reply # 747887 on 746781
    I have a 'Bud installed'  4 cyl 42hp Universal (Westerbeke) M-50B. Pretty honkin' big engine and I was able to maneuver my stb fuel tank out without cutting/disassembling anything other than the removal of the cockpit drain hoses.  I did have to cut off the corner of the little fiberglass 'step' portside aft in the engine compartment to get the port tank out.  I just fiberglassed it back in after I got the tanks steam cleaned and access panels installed.

    So it can be done but it was definitely a 'Chinese puzzle', having to turn it this way, lift the forward end a bit up, turn it back the other way, slide it forward a bit, rotate it the other way, now slide back to original position  (but on it's side), etc. etc. etc.. 

    But the biggest challenge was remembering how they came out...  but in reverse :)

    As far as the water tanks go assuming a factory built boat that should be easy . Just lift the floor panels in the saloon  'unbuckle' and lift out the fwd tank. Remove the manifold, unbuckle the aft tank,  slide it forward and voila!

    Consider yourself lucky.  I've watched owners of newer 'big buck' boats have to repair their leaky water tanks that were designed as *part of the hull* or black iron tanks so 'integrated' into the design that major sections of the cabin had to be cut out to even get to the tanks.

    That is one  aspect I feel is extremely desirable in the Westsail... there isn't hardly a place in the Westsail you cannot get access to (except the jib track & chainplate backing plates... arrrgh!).

    Last modified: November 11, 2011 1:06 PM | Anonymous member
  • November 13, 2011 12:47 PM
    Reply # 749020 on 746781
    Christian Holm wrote:Lets see...  build a hatch in the cockpit for future replacement of the ships powerplant,  but DONT build any conceivable/reasonable method of replacing diesel tanks and water tanks in the vessel.  Lets build a hull around the tank system.  That was an intelligent design

    OK my rant is over.   What are some ideas that people have come up with to remove and replace tanks without gutting the interior.

    Signed

    W42 with failing fuel tank in puget sound.

    Thanks in advance for anyone's comments/ideas.

    Christian is talking about the fuel and water tanks in a Westsail 42 or 43, not the W32.  Yes, the tanks were installed on top of the ballast and around the subfloor bulkheads, then the cabin sole plywood was installed, then the salon furniture.  It is difficult, but not impossible, to replace the tanks without removing all of the salon furniture.  I have some pictures and description of doing it if you want to contact me by email.  btaplin@westsail.com
  • November 14, 2011 6:52 AM
    Reply # 749536 on 746781
    Deleted user

    Christian - Unfortunately, it seems that problems with the original tanks in W42's & W43's are a fact of life.  Keeping in mind that even the newest ones approach 30 years in age.  We have just installed new tankage in our W42 Abake as part of a pre-cruise refit.  Yes, large job, but not the end of the world.  Happy to discuss with you if you'd like.  mmcdiarm at yahoo dot com.

  • November 14, 2011 11:44 AM
    Reply # 749802 on 746781
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Since this is a known tough project on the W42/43 - if someone would do a write up and add images -- I'll post in the Westsail FAQ area for members. 

    I suspect that Dick would also publish and article on the subject...

    Jay

  • November 14, 2011 2:17 PM
    Reply # 749958 on 746781
    Deleted user

    Jay - excellent idea.  If I can find the time and energy, I could contribute;-)  I know that several others have tackled the project too.  I'm guessing the opinions will be a little like the best way to finish brightwork....  No two ways or outcomes will be the same.

    Cheers,

    Mike

  • November 15, 2011 11:47 AM
    Reply # 750670 on 746781
    Anonymous

    Hey thanks for the comments everyone...    Sorry for the rant,  I just have so many projects going on in the vessel I didnt need this to come up right now.  Bud I will write you tonight...   Today is the last sunny day till next May (in Puget Sound) so I am taking advantage of it.  Well I will need to plan this one out. 

    Thanks to all the folks that have volunteered the time necessary to keep this site up and running.  I know you dont get enough thanks for what you do.

    Regards,   SV Summer Solstice