Boomkin Tangs Revisited

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  • September 11, 2012 6:51 AM
    Message # 1069610
    I know this topic has been addressed before, but it just doesn't come up in the Forum search, so I'm addressing it anew.

    I've been waiting for a reply from Bud regarding the purchase of replacement boomkin tangs. Having not received a reply, I think I might be better off purchasing some SS flat stock locally and just making them myself. Yard fees are just too high to sit and wait for a response.

    I'm also not sure how I feel about the square holes for the carriage bolts. I'm somewhat concerned that this might be a potential area for stress cracks. This is a fairly common belief in various industries. I just did a little research to confirm my thoughts. The following are just a couple of quick references. 

    en.wikipedia.org: Fatigue occurs when a material is subjected to repeated loading and unloading. If the loads are above a certain threshold, microscopic cracks will begin to form at the surface. Eventually a crack will reach a critical size, and the structure will suddenly fracture. The shape of the structure will significantly affect the fatigue life; square holes or sharp corners will lead to elevated local stresses where fatigue cracks can initiate. Round holes and smooth transitions or fillets are therefore important to increase the fatigue strength of the structure.

    influxtransposer.blogspot.com: The shape of the structure will significantly affect the fatigue life; square holes or sharp corners will lead to elevated local stresses where fatigue cracks can initiate. Round holes and smooth transitions or fillets are therefore important to increase the fatigue strength of the structure.

    Another place you will often find the reference is with regard to using round holes at the inside corners of Formica-type laminate applications.

    Does anyone have any input regarding this concern? I realize that the square holes adapt well to the low-profile carriage bolt application. I'm just not sure of the value in placing looks over strength in this very critical application. From those of you who did have stress cracks, where did they form? Obviously the round hole at the top (where the stays attach) SHOULD be the most likely point of stress, since their are two attachment points below, to distribute the stress to the hull. But it would be helpful to know what has actually happened in the past.\

    Thanks for any feedback.

    Jack
  • September 11, 2012 9:40 AM
    Reply # 1069751 on 1069610
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    Jack:

    I had to replace 3 of my 6 chain plates back in 2001 the cracks were as follows
    # A crevice corrosion between #1 & #2 bolt acros the ss strap (= no load failure as it was no where near a bolt, and had nothing to do with square holes.)
    # B crevice corrosion starting at the bottom hole #1  and going down the length of the strap (= no load failure, and started with square hole edge I believe but was corrosion only.)
    # C crevice corrosion between #3 bolt and the edge of the strap and a crack between #1 & #2 bolts At a 45Deg.  (the first maybe had load issues  but the second was just crevice corrosion between the hull and the plate.

    So in summery If you passivate or electorplate the part you are much less likely to have issues+/-. (it is the corrosion that is the issue),   But some of the original tangs were not over built, and a small crack could develop into a big issue and as you pointed out the corners are very big stress risers.  One note: I believe the some of the square holes are punched which, if not relieved, can have extra stress.  Round holes should be ok, but you might think of some form of locking it (wire, weld, epoxy, etc) opps make sure the fix can be removed (grinder, cutter, etc.) if needed.

    I hope this helps you out.
    Norm

    P.s. the square head does allows for a single person install and removal a +

  • September 11, 2012 11:19 AM
    Reply # 1069849 on 1069610
     It is most helpful... thank you, Norm. I appreciate your taking the time for such a detailed response.

    My boomkin tangs are 1-1/4", which I believe is the current standard, is it not? I know the earlier boats had 1" tangs, but have not yet received a response from Bud to confirm which year this changed. Perhaps you know.

    I do have one spare that is also 1-1/4". Since only one appears to have problems, I could just use the spare. It would be my preference to replace both and save the spare for emergency replacement under way.

    It was my impression that all of the square holes were punched. Most certainly the ones on my spare were. And, without a doubt, the square holes make it much easier to replace, single-handed. Of course, one can always resort to vice-grips on the bolt head. Not as easy, but doable.

    Again, I thank you for the response!

    Jack

    PS: Attached is a photo of my damaged tang, should it be helpful to others.




  • September 13, 2012 10:27 AM
    Reply # 1071587 on 1069610
    Deleted user
    Jack:

    Thanks for the picture.

    That is corrosion (crevice corrosion and opening up when stress was added)  Note it started on the outside of the strap and was headed for the hole, It would eventually fail.  So replacing it was a good call. 

    See how the rest of the tang looks polished the the point of where crack is, looks corroded (this is from a concentration of iron (iron oxide) which leaches out the nickle and crome from the ss then the rust makes more iron oxide etc etc.  small micro cracks allow this to happen at a faster rate until they weeken the material so that stress and the swelling iron oxide can open them and move it even faster.

    Jack you may want to inspect for this by the cotter pins?

    This can be stopped if caught soon enough, by passivating or electro polishing the part = removing the free iron in the top 0.00001" of the material including micro cracks +/-  they make dye penetrant for finding these but the cost may out weigh the cost of the electro polish, if you don't have a spare can of the stuff around. If you are interested, it can be found at a weld supply shop+/-.

    SS is not really Stainless:  just a bit of iron dust (grinding sparks, steel wool, etc) will stain the #$@ out of it. 

    Oh: lime juice is a weak passivator
  • September 15, 2012 6:28 PM
    Reply # 1073536 on 1069610

    i replaced all of the hull tangs and chainplates on my W28 with 316 s/s. the s/s fabricator said he couldnt easily make square holes, so i ended up with round holes and used 10 mm diameter 316 s/s button head bolts instead of the 3/8" carriage bolts used before.  10 mm is about half a mm larger than 3/8".  the button head is round, but a little deeper and has a hex socket to get a grip on.  looks alright.

  • September 16, 2012 9:27 AM
    Reply # 1074017 on 1069610
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    This information is great and unless the members object - I'll be adding it to the FAQ pages.

    I do have slide show for members of "items that break" at I also would like to add Jacks photo to http://www.westsail.org/itemsthatbreak - there are some pretty graphic images to catch folks attention.

    I recommend you email or call Bud for a quick response.

    Jay  

  • September 16, 2012 3:51 PM
    Reply # 1074164 on 1069610

    The boomkin tangs I am now supplying are 1-1/2" wide, with square holes that are punched in.  After fabrication, the tangs are put into an electropolishing solution to remove all impurities on the surfaces of the tang.

    If anyone wants these tangs with round holes instead, I would be happy to have them made up that way.

    I believe that the major problems occur due to crevis corrosion on the tangs, since they are in and out of the water constantly.  I do recommend removing them each haulout to inspect the backside to make sure corrosion has not started there.

    Also, the entire backside should not be caulked, only a ring around each hole in the hull, and under the head of the carriage bolt.  Stainless needs to get oxygen from the air to minimize crevis corrosion.

     

  • September 17, 2012 12:53 PM
    Reply # 1074912 on 1069610
    Deleted user
    Jack:

     I did use Buds plates for replacements in 2000 or some where around that time+/-
    and am pretty happy with them still.

    I did however want to sort of clear up a statement by Bud (he almost has it right )

    The electropolish opens up (eats away the free iron by using electromagnetic forces and acid concentrated at the edges) and this process removes free iron form the surface as well, and most of the micro cracks (in real life you can never say all, just most).
     
    1.) stainless steel needs air to keep the surface free from iron sticking to it. (keeps the surface chrome and nickel  rich =little corrosion +/-) = just rusting

    The overall chemical equation for the formation of rust is

    Iron + water + oxygen rust

    4 Fe(s) + 6 H2O(l) + 3 O2(g) 4 Fe(OH)3(s)

      the top layer and washing it away, leaving a shine and a surface of chrome and nickel.  Just think shine on the chrome bumper (it is just chrome plated steel)

    2.) but crevice corrosion does not use this process (as surface corrosion mentioned above) but the crack is so small it holds iron and salt ions in it , which even in the open air are not washed away but are trapped in the microscopic crack, which leads to more corrosion etc. etc.    This is where the dye penetrent and magnafluxes are used to find these little buggers in critical applications (NASA, turbines, high pressure fittings and Nuk facilities, etc.).

    Jack's picture is of the crevice type start (but the brown stuff is surface type).  You will note: the part was in the open air. I assume a surface flaw (crack) was the start and it just followed the steel grain tward the hole, but once there was room in the crack, the surface corrosion also kicked in to help eat the metal away. 

    Buy having a tang prepared as Bud has explained, You will have the best chance of success. The 1.5" wide material gives you more time between when it starts and when it is a problem.  (I like extra time, I need all I can get)

    Passivation will not chew on the edges of micro cracks and open them up as much as the EP process will, but it does clean up surface rust and gives it the Chrome and Nickel rich surface you want, but if you do have micro cracks, you will be doing it again in a year or two or replacing it.

    3.) Nothing replaces a good inspection routine!

    I did not mean to step on Bud, but I did want to explain why Jacks Picture shows the corrosion on the open air part.   I do hope this helps out.

    Norm

    P.s. ALWAYS try to keep Grinding dust and steel wool away from any Stainless Steel.

    PPs  Looking at the picture I believe there is a micro crack about 1/4" below the crack we are talking about, take a look at Jack's Picture.


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  • September 18, 2012 5:33 AM
    Reply # 1075478 on 1069610
    Norm,

    Thank you for a most excellent description of the process of degradation in stainless fittings! It's this kind of reply and effort that makes a good forum such an invaluable source of information. Your effort and description is greatly appreciated! Add a few photos and this would be a great topic for an upcoming Windblown publication!

    I just received a reply from Bud and then spoke with him on the phone. I ordered a new pair of tangs, which are currently being made. Once he receives his order and then has them electropolished, he'll get them in the mail to me. Thanks, Bud. Time to get this boat wet again!

    Thanks to all for your feedback.

    Jack
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  • May 05, 2013 7:25 AM
    Reply # 1285912 on 1069610
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I just received a couple of images of the boomkin bolts which might explain some failures  and reinforces Bud's advise to check the bolts visually every time you haul the boat.

     
    The top view - what you see on the outside ...

    may look like this on the underside.

    Thanks to Randy Leasure for the photos.

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