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  • September 13, 2013 10:41 AM
    Message # 1388632
    Deleted user
    OK I know It's not a Westsail . Think of It as a big sister to a W32 . Check it out at minneys.blogspot.com
  • September 13, 2013 11:34 AM
    Reply # 1388702 on 1388632
    Anonymous
    That looks like an Alajuela 38. Sounds like its been stripped of all parts... too bad.
    The almost free part of the boat will probably cost about $200 000 to complete. :)
    Last modified: September 13, 2013 11:37 AM | Anonymous
  • September 13, 2013 6:58 PM
    Reply # 1388920 on 1388632
    Deleted user
    Gary , don't be a wet blanket . Westsails and their sisters were built with vision and passion .
  • September 13, 2013 9:17 PM
    Reply # 1388964 on 1388632
    Anonymous
    Sorry it came across like that... I did put a smiley in :) Sounds like you might be ready to step up to a bigger boat?
  • September 13, 2013 10:38 PM
    Reply # 1388993 on 1388632
    Deleted user

    Mark, I know what you are saying but Gary isn't being a wet blanket he's being truthful.  If anyone would know what it costs it would be Gary as he bought Elizabeth Ann in somewhat the same manner, although she was in a lot better condition.  Actually she has one of the most gorgeous interiors I've seen.  Gary has done a lot to get her in tip-top shape and I'll bet it hasn't been cheap. So if anyone would know it would be Gary.  Honestly I think 200K would be low to get that boat in full cruising condition.

    It's not bursting someone's bubble or a being a wet blanket but simply being realistic.  It really warms my heart to see these boats brought back to life and I hope all are successful, but most won't be.  I always wonder when someone tackles a project like this if they really understand what they are getting into. I doubt it, I know we didn't and ours was Bristol when we bought her. Through the years I've seen Westsails go from owner to owner most with the honest intention of going cruising.  For a lot of reasons but mostly I think it's discovering the commitment of work and money that the dream fades and the boat goes to the next owner.  A cruising friend still had an old article written by a researcher/cruiser who did his own five year study. He had a real good criteria on determining who were honestly convinced they were going cruising.  It turns out less than 4% ever made it.

    I understand the lure of "pay as you go" but it really is a false economy.  The cheapest way to buy a cruising boat is find one that's recently outfitted the way you want and pay top dollar for it.  You'll be money ahead.  We tracked every cent we spent on purchasing and improvements, excluding maintenance, berth fees etc. and the amount is unbelievable. Our original intention was to buy a new Crealock 37 and were talking to the factory.  A recession changed our minds and we bought our Westsail.  Now twenty years later I realize I really didn't save that much overall.  Don't get me wrong we don't regret our decision and love the boat, but knowing what we know now we might have made a different decision.    

    I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade but I think if people are more realistic they can make adjustments to their plans and many more would be successful.  Our two year cruise was the adventure of a lifetime and the best two years of our lives. 

    Jim 

  • September 14, 2013 10:05 AM
    Reply # 1389236 on 1388632
    Deleted user
    Hi Gary , I'm the one who is sorry . I was way to hard on you . Jim thanks for your reply to my post . True this boat is going to take time and money . But isn't that true of any project/kit boat ?  And there are some really nice W 42/43's for sale .   True for someone to take on a boat like this thinking it's going to be a easy bargain would be a mistake.  To the right person I think this would be an exceptional find . A Alajuela / Ingrid is a sight to behold . And no I'm not looking to get a bigger boat thank you  . Small boat $mall problems . But if I was 30 years younger ,hmmmm.
  • September 14, 2013 7:27 PM
    Reply # 1389478 on 1388632
    Anonymous
    No worries Mark! :) Jim, you hit the nail on the head. I would never discourage someone from taking on a project, just try to shine some light on what it takes. When I bought my project I really thought it wouldn't take much as I'm handy and could afford some first rate help. Boy, I greatly underestimated what it would take financially as well as time wise. Every detail has to be thought out carefully.

    I don't regret it but I would never do it again...I would just buy a boat in great shape and go sailing...as Jim says there is plenty to do anyway.
  • September 14, 2013 10:32 PM
    Reply # 1389535 on 1388632
    Deleted user
    I second, or third the big $$$$$$ comment, on the pay as you go. (I did), and yes they are correct, it is really wild on how much one can spend on building a boat. And I am with Gary : "if I knew then what I know now I would never have done it".

    Just a point of view (mine) the hull and deck is about 18 to 20% the value of the boat. If you get a free 18% of a 250K boat,  you still need to put in 200,000.00 to 205,000.00 into it.  WOW yes WOW you can spend allot on a free boat, that is completed in a first class form.

    Norm

    oh if you spend thousands of $$$$'s and don't finish it, you can recover some of the $$$$'s if you sell all of the new (old) hardware to a swap meet or to the scrap people (a great place to get) old hardware. i.e minnies is a great place to visit and pick up stuff!! I do like them as they have all kinds of stuff.  


    Lastly: if you really do have vision, passion and 30K+/year to invest (spend) for 5 to 8 years in a row, they are kick ass boats. A FYI back in 1997 I was smarter than those nay sayers as I am very handy and pretty good with glass & wood. Now I see I needed wisdom not smarts back then!
    Last modified: September 15, 2013 10:12 AM | Deleted user
  • September 15, 2013 8:40 AM
    Reply # 1389801 on 1388632
    I built Jasmine from a bare hull after the previous owner had ripped out the interior, including the bulkheads.  It took five years of part time work to be able to sail her.  

    Although the interior was not expensive per se, and I have a boat I love, it was a lot of work.  

    What I will say is, for the right person, the building can be as satisfying as the sailing. Almost. 

    For the right person, this could be a great project.  I don't want to do it again, but if that boat was available when I was building, I would have loved to do it. 

    My point is, to each his own,

    rich


  • September 15, 2013 10:04 AM
    Reply # 1389844 on 1388632
    Deleted user
    I do think Rich has a good point, there is indeed some enjoyment in building something nice, and it is done the way you want it.

    But please, reread all of the posts from people who did build from a bare hull or mostly bare hull, I think you will find one common statement " I would never do it again".  Take it for what it is: "Wisdom from a group that has been there and a comment on how much effort it really takes"
    Last modified: September 15, 2013 10:17 AM | Deleted user
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