Gross Register Tonnage

  • July 14, 2012 4:43 AM
    Message # 1009180
    Bud,

    Do you (or anyone else) know the "Gross Register Tonnage" of the W32? I know that the term is not the same as "Displacement" and probably not the same as the number at the end of the USCG documentation "NET XX". That would be too easy. The term is defined as...

    Gross register tonnage (GRT, grt, g.r.t.) - a ship's total internal volume expressed in "register tons", one of which equals to a volume of 100 cubic feet (2.83 m3). It is calculated from the total permanently enclosed capacity of the vessel. The ship's net register tonnage is obtained by reducing the volume of non-revenue-earning spaces i.e. spaces not available for carrying cargo, for example engine rooms, fuel tanks and crew quarters, from its gross register tonnage. Gross register tonnage is not a measure of the ship's weight or displacement and should not be confused with terms such as deadweight tonnage or displacement.

    Thanks.

    Jack
  • July 14, 2012 8:59 AM
    Reply # 1009325 on 1009180

    Jack,

    I've always been curious about the admeasurements involved in deriving tonnage so I searched through the NVDC sites and found what appears to be the definitive methodology.

    http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc/tonnage/docs/TG%201%20CH-2.pdf

    The Certificate of Documentation issued for 'Marianne' specifies 15 GRT for Gross Tonnage which appears to be the 'Gross Registered Tons' you mentioned. Using the Gross Tonnage Formulation from the 'Simplified Method' along with the recorded dimensions of Length = 32, Breadth = 11, and Depth =8.7, yields 15 GRT if you assume a factor S = .67(not a bad assumption for a Westsail)

    Sounds like you are preparing to renew your Documentation.

    scott

  • July 14, 2012 11:13 AM
    Reply # 1009378 on 1009180
    Deleted user
    Mine is registered at 11 tons.
    Right or wrong, it is laminated on the inside of the hull and is what I am listed at.

    You may not want to try for more ton's,  as non-US  ports may charge fees by the ton.

    If you want to have a cross ref. just look up, using the cost guard DB.  "Imagine" with a home port of "Saratoga Wyoming."

    Best of luck and hope you are having a ton of fun.
    Norm


  • July 16, 2012 5:35 AM
    Reply # 1010943 on 1009180

    Mine is registered at 13 tons.

    T.

  • July 16, 2012 9:12 AM
    Reply # 1011105 on 1009180
    Deleted user

    When I registered in Canada they used a "simplified method" based on length, beam, etc. to calculate gross tonnage and came up with Gross Tonnage 6.04 t and net Net Tonnage 5.74 t.

    When I compared that to it's American registry, it was about half! I didn't rock the boat, as the other option was to pay someone to assess gross tonnage by doing another haulout.

    The tonnage rate varies all across the board for the Westsails registered in Canada.

    370607 ALEGRIAS VANCOUVER Suspended
    391755 ANANDA III MONTREAL Registered
    822111 AROHANUI VANCOUVER Registered
    836178 BLUE TALE IQALUIT, NU Registered
    815096 CURRAWONG VANCOUVER Registered
    834328 DROMMEN VICTORIA Registered
    800978 FROYA IV VICTORIA Registered
    383238 FUNNY GIRL VICTORIA Registered
    371320 HENRY BELL VANCOUVER Registered
    833677 JURAE VICTORIA Registered
    828817 LIBERATE TORONTO Registered
    391383 LITTLE BEAR VANCOUVER Registered
    835305 LOUKIA NANAIMO Registered
    825572 LUCKY GOOSE VANCOUVER Registered
    831211 MAZETTE MONCTON Registered
    832157 MIMOSART MONTREAL Registered
    802568 NEZ-O-VENT QUEBEC Registered
    827369 NORWEGIAN WOOD GODERICH Registered
    376659 PACIFIC WIND I VANCOUVER Registered
    835639 PAX DEI SOREL Registered
    832535 PO CHANG MONTREAL Registered
    832912 PRIMROSE SAINT JOHN, NB Registered
    817096 RAIN DANCE I NANAIMO Registered
    801296 RENATUS MONTREAL Registered
    824507 SAPPHIRE M TORONTO Registered
    818911 SEA BREEZE WHITEHORSE, YT Registered
    816190 SEA GYPSY C VANCOUVER Suspended
    372017 SKOITE TORONTO Registered
    370262 WARM RAIN VANCOUVER Registered

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  • July 16, 2012 4:29 PM
    Reply # 1011425 on 1009180
    The Westsail builders certificate shows it as 13 tons.
  • July 17, 2012 10:32 AM
    Reply # 1012193 on 1009180
    Thanks to everyone for your replies. I've been occupied for the last few days and wasn't aware of your responses.

    When I look up my documentation in the USCG database, it shows Gross Tonnage: 15 and Net Tonnage: 13

    It's rather surprising how much difference there can be from one boat to another or one country to another. Not much standardization, is there? And I was looking at the extensive links you put on, Stephen (thank you for that!). There really is an incredible difference from one to the other, isn't there?


  • July 18, 2012 7:40 AM
    Reply # 1013297 on 1009378
    Norm Rhines wrote:
    You may not want to try for more ton's,  as non-US  ports may charge fees by the ton.


    Norm




    Belize started this practice last year. Since they use the same rates as for cruise ships & freighters it (among other new fees) makes checking into that country rather pricy now.

    Mine is listed at 15 GRT and 12 NRT.

    s/v Haliai
    WS32 #775
  • November 27, 2012 10:29 AM
    Reply # 1147049 on 1009180

    I just re-documented our WS42 and the NVDC came up with a different Net Tonnage than was originally posted on our hull when initially documented.  Using what I believed was the correct model to calculate GRT and NRT produced the same NRT as posted on our hull:  23 Net Tons.  However, the NVDC came up with 17 Net Tons.  I have included a table that I hope is both readable and helpful.

    Good news is that our boat is now documented, but our placque is not completely correct, as it has the wrong net tons.  So, what to do? Well, most importantly, the documentation number is what is important.  The USCG has told me that they will not fine, imprison, or keel-haul me for having an inconsistent net tonnage number.  Based on the what the USCG told me, if I am worried about the placque, I should see a dentist! 

    However, the different results for NRT got me to wondering why.

    Gross Register Tons (GRT) is a volume measurment that combines hull volume and deckhouse volume.  For sailing vessels, deckhouse volume is almost universally excluded because deckhouse volume must be equal to or greater than hull volume to be included.  Most sailing vessels don't have that substantial a superstructure.  Net Register Tons (NRT) represents GRT adjusted for a machinery factor, which for a sailing auxillary is .90.  The GRT and NRT figures are truncated for the documentation form

    Simply, the GRT equation is (hull volume + deckhouse volume)/100 and the NRT equation is GRT * machinery factor.  For our vessels the detailed GRT is (length * breath * depth to keel bottom * sailboat shape factor of 0.5 * sailboat keel factor of 0.75) divided by 100 and truncated.  The detailed NRT equation is GRT * machinery factor of 0.9 and truncated.  I added the table below:

    Gross Tonnage to Net Tonnage Calculation: Westsail 42 Ketch - S/V Harmony
    Overall Length * 42.83 42' 10"
    Overall Beam * 13.00 13' 0"
    Overall Depth * 9.25 9' 3"
    Sub-total = 5150.31 (L*B*D)
    Shape Factor * 0.50 Shape Factor for Sailing Vessel
    Keel Factor * 0.75 Keel Factor for sailing vessel with integral keel
    Divide by / 100.00
    Gross Tonnage = 19
    Machinery Factor * 0.90 Machinery Factor for auxillary Sailboat
    Net Tonnage = 17
    All values on Certificate of Documentation are truncated to the nearest integer

    What my calculation method was missing was an adjustment for "keel factor" which is .75.  However, I do believe that when our WS42 was originally documented the deckhouse volume may have been included.  Possible because the NVDC forms were not as refined as they are today.

    I hope this is helpful.

    Doug

  • December 09, 2012 2:49 PM
    Reply # 1155737 on 1009180

    A ship's register tonnage is a volume measurement, part of the common law of the sea.  It should really be spelled tunnage.  It was literally the number of casks of wine (tuns, in Olde English) that a ship could carry, and it told shippers the cargo capacity of a ship.   A tun of wine occupied 100 cubic feet.