Moving main sheet

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  • February 06, 2015 6:28 PM
    Message # 3219743

    My last project of significance is moving the main sheet an track from forward of the cockpit. I would like to build a dodger &binimi to keep "THE WIFE" comfy an dry since I live in the Pacific Northwest. So here is the question, do I move it to the aft end of the boom and attach to the stern or do I move it forward of the soon to be dodger and install a track over the companion way. I was at Seattle boat show this past weekend where I received contradictory info from rigging specialists. What are the pros and cons of both locations?

  • February 07, 2015 4:59 AM
    Reply # 3219880 on 3219743
    i don't understand from your post where your mainsheet is today.


    I have a 5 foot long traveler in the cockpit just forward of the well, with the main sheet in front of the companionway.   That makes the cockpit a lot less comfortable for lounging, but it works well for sailing.   The location was dictated by storing a hard dinghy under the boom.  If I had a choice, I would like to get it out of the cockpit.

    The previous owner did something clever.  As you move the main sheet closer to the mast, you need more and more force to hold the boom.  If all that force goes through a single bail, then the localized stress at the attachment point are large (especially in a gybe.)

     I have a 6:1 mainsheet, but instead of putting all that force through one bail, there are three bails and three single blocks on the boom that spread the force out. I believe that reduces the chance of breaking the boom in case of a violent gybe. 

  • February 07, 2015 10:32 AM
    Reply # 3220021 on 3219743
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    We decided the end boom sheeting wouldn’t work for as it would interfere with the radar pole, wind generator an solar panels.  We considered in front of the companion way but felt it would be in the way and it would have been as we like to sit there protected by the dodger when on watch. We moved it in front of the dodger installing three bails on the boom with compression posts to distribute the load.  This has worked well for twenty years and we have no complaints.  The one photo shows some extra tackle going to the boom.  These are preventers and were just stored there after sailing.  The traveler Is an older Gaurhaur, the newer ones have better clearance.

    Jim    

     

     

     

  • February 08, 2015 5:45 AM
    Reply # 3220456 on 3219743

    Jim, I would kill for a dodger like yours. Well, not really but almost :)


    Didn't you post info & pics during your build somewhere?

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  • February 08, 2015 8:43 AM
    Reply # 3220510 on 3219743

    My track to the boom is just forward of the cockpit and just aft of the companion way on the deck. My concern with moving track is which location will give me the best efficiency. Is forward of the companionway over the turtle better than running main to a fixed location at the stern? I have seen both setups and want to know which is most efficient. At its currently location I do well in comparison to other sailboats. But with the rain in the Pacific NW I need more protection from the rain and sun. I agree forward of the companion way needs a beefy set up. 

  • February 08, 2015 11:24 AM
    Reply # 3220591 on 3219743
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    James, since we’ve had both I can say we definitely prefer on the cabin top.  I’m sure others will disagree with me but I think the cabin top is a little more efficient, but only slightly.  Obviously the first thing is that we don’t have the extra line to deal with or hang up as with end boom sheeting.  We also found that with end boom sheeting we needed to have preventers rigged most of the time.  With it on the cabin top we only need preventers when the boom starts to run past the traveler.  But to be honest we usually have the preventers rigged.  We use them as an additional handhold and they’re ready to go.

    The biggest criticism I hear about cabin top mounting is the leverage placed on the booms center attachment.  This can be a problem if you use a single attachment to the boom which is why we have three bails and blocks.  Also there are at least two different size booms that we know of and we fortunately have the larger.  Of the three Westsail booms I know that have been bent they all were end boom sheeted. 

    While we believe this to be the best option, it’s only our opinion.  Keep in mind that Saraband has end boom sheeting.  We all know fast and well she is sailed.

    Jim

    Mike, I’ve had a couple of write ups on how to build the dodgers as it’s been asked for before.  I’ll see if I can find one.  I hope there not on a dead computer.  Here’s photos of the build.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/111834525627890796788/Dodger#

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  • February 08, 2015 11:53 AM
    Reply # 3220601 on 3219743
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Thanks to Jim and Julie Focha - Hard dodger pictures for sharing their project on the WOA Picasa site. 

    Jay

  • February 11, 2015 8:01 AM
    Reply # 3223516 on 3219743

    I guess I do not have to chime in on this discussion, since it has been well discussed.. 

    If you go with the traveler over the cabintop, you do need the three bails.  I have the kit available to do all of this.

  • February 11, 2015 6:24 PM
    Reply # 3224173 on 3219743
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I can recommend Bud's setup - I set this up a few years ago - much better then the track in the cockpit trick... 


    Images from the members  a members page with albums of images for ideas. 

    Jay

    Last modified: February 11, 2015 6:30 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • April 06, 2015 6:23 PM
    Reply # 3284594 on 3219743

    Hey Guys,  Any thoughts on moving/taming the main sheet on a 42?  I tell ya its a bear cat on an all standing jibe, tall rig/sheets sweeping the cockpit.  I have a look over dodger, anyone ever put a track over dodger?  I also have a aftermarket stout boom gallows in the normal location, how about welding a track off the front of this? Also Bud I need a set of bronze screens for the stock small opening ports on the cabin sides, can we still get them?  Thanks for your time. Cal

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