Installing Garhauer Rigid Vang

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  • May 12, 2013 6:33 PM
    Message # 1291561
    Deleted user
    Hiya! I'm looking for help from anyone who has installed this piece of kit!

    I'm trying to figure out how far aft the boom attachment of my new rigid vang goes. It makes sense that when the vang is fully extended, the boom should sit well above the gallows. I'm thinking I will need to go out and put the main up to determine where the highest point of the boom will be UNLESS  someone already knows :) OR should I just pull the vang all the way in and affix it where it lies on the boom when in the gallows?

    The vang will have to be pulled down to get the boom back into the gallows once the sail is down right?

    I've already figured out that the hatch has to be reoriented to open aft - that was yesterday's brain wave! Thank goodness there are two hinges.

  • May 13, 2013 6:48 PM
    Reply # 1292471 on 1291561
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Rosemary:

    As I have installed the ridge boomvang on Pygmalion, the vang will hold the boom down in the gallows and also allow the boom to raise when the main is raised. 

    I have removed the toping lift - thus saving the aggravation of it wrapped around the backstay!!

    Below is a reasonable image of the installation.  I think I would clamp/install vang base bracket to the mast and then experiment with range of the vang and the exact boom mounting position. Try using the topping lift to raise and lower the boom to find the correct position.  

     

    Photo

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    Jay

  • May 14, 2013 11:26 AM
    Reply # 1293048 on 1291561
    Deleted user
    Jay - I forgot you had one too! Do you worry about having the vang engaged and cleated when the sail is down and the boom is in the gallows? I would imagine you would always have some vang on when sailing in anything but light air right?

    If it weren't so cold here right now, I'd go out and try it out - clamping is a great idea! 
  • May 14, 2013 6:30 PM
    Reply # 1293323 on 1291561
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Rosemary:

    I clamp the boom down on the gallows with the main sheet and vang - I assume there is nothing wrong with doing that - I think it's just a spring inside the tube that "lifts" the boom so compressing it shouldn't matter. 

    I don't fiddle much with the vang under way - if the wind is light then as I understand it the sail should be looser and tighter in higher winds.

    Jay

  • May 15, 2013 8:47 AM
    Reply # 1293765 on 1291561
    Anonymous
    I'm thinking of putting one of those on my boat, so I need to take a good look at the one Jay installed when I'm up that was in the fall for NorCal 2013.
  • May 15, 2013 3:31 PM
    Reply # 1294114 on 1293048
    Anonymous
    Rosemary Wilson wrote:Jay - I forgot you had one too! Do you worry about having the vang engaged and cleated when the sail is down and the boom is in the gallows? I would imagine you would always have some vang on when sailing in anything but light air right?

    If it weren't so cold here right now, I'd go out and try it out - clamping is a great idea! 

    Light air and when headed to windward so that the main sheet can control the vertical orientation of the boom.  If you have a traveler you can use it to control vertical boom angle at a wider angle, but without, you'll use the vang more.  

    In light air it won't matter as much because the boom is going to sag and unless the wind puts enough pressure on the sail, it won't lift it and so no use in trying to control the lift of the boom. 
  • May 16, 2013 6:53 AM
    Reply # 1294475 on 1291561
    As the gooseneck rotates did you do anything to keep the boom from rotating?  I almost added one on our 42 but didn't want to have to change the gooseneck.
  • May 16, 2013 10:12 AM
    Reply # 1294654 on 1291561
    Deleted user
    This a somewhat different opinion.  We had one on our Catalina and it worked well, but we did a different type of sailing.  On the Westsail we like Dave decided against it, but for different reasons.  First it takes valuable space we need.  We have a center hatch and the dingy sets here when under way which the vang would hinder.  They make a little more sense with end boom sheeting although Dave King doesn't have one on Saraband he uses preventers.  We have a traveler in front of the dodger which makes a vang useless until the boom extends past it in off the wind sailing, which we do a lot of when cruising.  In Trade wind sailing we always use a preventer, actually we always have them rigged on both sides when ocean sailing. Preventers are also useful in gybing in the ocean when bringing the boom over.  They have prevented a serious jibe several times for us and we feel they are necessary in off wind ocean sailing.  Being attached further out on the boom requires less force to hold the boom down then the vang which is further in and requires more leverage.

    If you do a lot of tacking, especially with end boom sheeting a vang would make sense.  But for long distance ocean sailing/cruising it would be redundant and in the way.  I've never felt one would have aided us in any way, unlike preventers which assist us when gybing.

    Jim 
    Last modified: May 16, 2013 10:15 AM | Deleted user
  • May 16, 2013 6:49 PM
    Reply # 1295048 on 1291561
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Dave:  The goose neck doesn't rotate on the new mast/boom  - for better or worse...

    Jay

  • May 17, 2013 6:45 AM
    Reply # 1295311 on 1291561
    That's what I understand the Gauhaur needs was a fixed goose neck. I beleive on the WS's in general the Leifiel and SuperSpar goosenecks let the boom rotate to the sail.
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