Bowsprit repair/replace

  • August 03, 2012 8:19 AM
    Reply # 1037892 on 1037811
    James & Deena MItchell wrote:

    . . .

     He finished digging out the rotten plywood between and near the Samson posts. . . .

    James,

    What is your containment plan for the rotten plywood?  I have the same problem near the sampson posts and I don't know how extensive it is, but needs fixing.  Or what is the suggested solution by other Westsailors?  I was told to pull up the whole deck to replace the coring, but that seems to be overkill in mine eye.  What do you, or others, recommend?

    Tyler

  • August 03, 2012 1:33 PM
    Reply # 1038092 on 1005810
    Anonymous

    Tyler, I see no need to remove the fiberglass deck on my boat. My game plan is to cut some 1/2" plywood to fit in the empty space. It will take several pieces as I can only cut them as large as the samson post opening. I will do some test fitting first. Then I will sand the fiberglass top and bottom on the inside to rough it up a bit for the expoxy. I'll coat the ply with epoxy and let it dry so it will be waterproof. Then I will put epoxy with filler on the end of the ply and push it up against the existing good plywood. I hope this will fill any voids. I'll try to do this before the epoxy sets so I hope to have some epoxy push out with the last piece I fit in.  I don't think I will have any voids. But if I do they won't be to large as I plan on cutting the plywood to take up most of the space. I will be tacking this project tomorrow so I will try and post pictures on Sunday or Monday.

    Last modified: August 03, 2012 1:35 PM | Anonymous
  • August 03, 2012 3:04 PM
    Reply # 1038145 on 1005810
    Another idea might be to make up some thickened epoxy and fill the voides with it.  You could also push some small pieces of wood into it before it sets.  Do it in small areas at a time so as to not let any of the epoxy harden before filling up the voids.
  • August 03, 2012 3:36 PM
    Reply # 1038156 on 1005810
    Anonymous
    Sounds like a plan! Thanks Bud.
  • August 06, 2012 6:07 AM
    Reply # 1039813 on 1005810

    Would cutting the fiberglass out from the bottom work well enough?  So one wouldn't needed to cut little pieces, or cut the deck from above?  Then one could cut the plywood to the more perfect dimensions.  I guess, does anybody have objections with servicing the foredeck plywood from below?

    Tyler

  • August 06, 2012 1:17 PM
    Reply # 1040217 on 1005810
    Anonymous

    Tyler, I repaired my deck this weekend. It sounds like your damage is greater than mine. I had only about 4-5" at the most away from the Samson post openings. It was too small for me to open up the deck as far as I was concerned. I did drill some test holes to see how far the rot went.

     I ended up cutting smaller pieces of plywood to fill up the void. I mixed the epoxy thick like peanut butter and shoved a bunch in the void then started putting in small blocks smeared with the thick epoxy. I did sand the void and clean it with acetone as best I could before I started.  Once the epoxy at the opening  set I washed it with soap and water to remove the blush so sealant can stick to it.

    I don’t see why you couldn’t repair the deck from the bottom. But I think it would be harder. First you have to get into the chain locker. I know that is tough as I am working in that area now. Then getting the plywood to stay up as you wait for the epoxy to kick might be difficult. You tape across it to support it. Anyway just my thoughts for what they are worth!

     

  • August 06, 2012 1:41 PM
    Reply # 1040250 on 1005810
    Anonymous

    Here is an update. I picked up my samson posts today. I was able to meet Russell with H&L who is building my bowsprit. He hopes to have it done in a day or two.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dFUDADCGmatUnMi75yJiGtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OKLO6FiOLfG6zQQUNzuJBdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

    Last modified: August 06, 2012 1:42 PM | Anonymous
  • August 06, 2012 2:06 PM
    Reply # 1040265 on 1005810

    My bulkhead was removed when I bought the boat, so this is a non-issue for me.  Also, I have not investigated how far-reaching the rot is in my deck as of yet, but it is on my near-future-to-do-list.  Thanks,

    Tyler

  • July 10, 2013 9:48 PM
    Reply # 1337899 on 1005810
    Deleted user

    I have been reading the posts for the first time in 20 or more years and added a few of my own today. This topic appeared on page one of the topic list too.

    I wrote a lengthy article about making a stainless steel bowsprit and boomkin under the topic of replacing a wooden boomkin. I dislike flimsy components that also need varnishing. I saw in the early seventies the Islander43 sailbouts with an aluminum "A" frame  bowsprit. I do not like aluminum tubing for something that may need a welded modification and found 316SS tubing in the Long Beach Ca. harbor junkyards that had the right diameter and length and had the Islander Yacht bowsprit fabricator make something useful for me. Look for the details for the guy with the boomkin topic.

    Last modified: July 10, 2013 9:51 PM | Deleted user
  • July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
    Reply # 1340199 on 1012215
    Deleted user

    Hi Jim,

    This sure looks like a piece of first class workmanship. I personally prefer an "A" frame type, but yours has a certain elegance too.

    Btw., something like that could be designed as a swing up bow sprit, as some marinas charge a fortune over 40 feet. I have seen one bowsprit on a W32, I think it was in Redondo Beach, Calif. a swing up "A"  frame that shortened the mooring bill by five feet (pun intended). That was for me too much trouble, as the bobstay and forestay have to be adjusted everytime you go out.

    What you have there could be for someone to think about, and maybe even stabilized with a short platform for dealing with the jib more safely.

    Theese attractive pictures show the boat in a marina.

    Mike

     

     

    Jim Focha wrote:

    I've posted these photos before.  In case you didn't see them, this is our solution
    to using wood. We changed over to Bud's SS bow sprite about ten years ago
    and it is on our list of best things we've done.  No more varnishing or worrying
    about rot. It also made mounting the Lofrans electric windless easier 
    This year we removed it to have the u-bolt added for jacklines, etc. That led
    to having it polished, which led to the SS knights heads.  Things tend to 
    snowball on us. Our wooden Knights heads were well worn from from many 
    years of anchoring. At the time of changing over our wooden bow sprite was
    near perfect and we gave it to another Westsailor.  But we believe it was 
    worth the expense and would recommend stainless, especially for a cruising
    boat.  The idea of the U-bolt was Dave Brown's (WS 32 Mandalla) who
    also fabricated the Knights heads, which turned out to be a work of art..

    Jim



     



     

     

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