Teak Finish

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  • November 29, 2012 6:28 AM
    Message # 1148635
    Deleted user
    I'm a new Westsail owner and I'm getting ready to finish the rudders teak cheeks and tiller. Any recommendations. Next will be the bright works, will need direction with this as well.
  • November 29, 2012 5:10 PM
    Reply # 1149098 on 1148635
    Welcome! I use varnish on my rudder cheeks (interlux schooner) 
    The problem with this is that a bright finish requires more maintenance than others... but the upside is I can see problems that might be developing (rot etc)

    Cetol might be a good compromise.
  • November 29, 2012 7:51 PM
    Reply # 1149204 on 1148635
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    James McComas wrote:I'm a new Westsail owner and I'm getting ready to finish the rudders teak cheeks and tiller. Any recommendations. Next will be the bright works, will need direction with this as well.
    James, welcome aboard.. 

    For your teak refinishing - here is a link to a topic - there are probably other topics on the subject. There are a lot of choices to refinish the teak - look for low maintenance and easy application and repair.

    Jay
  • November 30, 2012 12:33 PM
    Reply # 1149692 on 1148635
    Anonymous
    I am new to this group - I am coming over from go -fast sailboats. I do think that I have something to contribute on the teak discussion though.

    I have tried all most every product made. All the major brand names do work well. They all have their on type of characteristic. Some last longer than others regardless of preparation and application.

    Here is what I have learned.

    If you want a varnished surface - get used to the fact that you will have to re-do/touch up every year. (higher latitudes I can't say - I live near the tropic of cancer)

    Varnish is a COATING. A coating will eventually fail. Most failures will appear at joints, edges everywhere there is a gap or tight curve - anywhere where there is difficulty in maintaining proper mil thickness. A good example is window joints, weep holes. You cannot get proper mil thickness on an edge.Because of that you will get water penetration and eventual disbonding. Fact of life. Filling joints with epoxy can resolve some detects but not all. I was in a funk for many years about this - all the hard work, to the point of excess would only give me a year of woody goodness. I did read the art of varnish and did get an idea. 

    I soak my wood in Thompsons Waterseal. I soak my trim in water seal for overnight, in the morning I remove the wood and finish with bronze wool. I try to get a very very smooth finish. the burnished wood is wiped and then let to dry. When dry the wood appears to have a "polished satin" look. I then slop on more waterseal one more time - I leave it on for about an hour and the wipe clean. Thats it. 

    Why does this work? My guess is that I am not applying a coating. I am sort of staining the wood. Another plus is that I am sealing the surface of the wood by polishing it. A smoother surface will repel moisture and dirt better that a rough surface. Water will bead up for over a year with method.

    Yes, it does need maintenance. What will happen is that the wood will begin to lighten and the surface will begin to have more texture. When that happens, rub the wood down with a scotchbrite pad (green or red) soaked in waterseal. - thats it.

    Its insane it works so well. I only took 20 years to find out.

    Now, if you are the type that wants a deep gloss finish, this is not for you, But if you like a smooth satin finish with good color then you have to try this.

    I am not sure if I would do this on teak decks. I do believe that the product may have some silicone and it might or might not affect the caulking. Besides, you dont want that smooth of a surface on a deck. Probably best to sand real smooth and just keep the teak silver.

    Just my two cents.

    MKP

    I have seen some results where a opaque architectural stain is used to good result but its sort of funky as it looks like paint. I suppose if you could find someone who does faux finishing it could be made to look like teak but ...  

  • December 01, 2012 8:14 AM
    Reply # 1150183 on 1148635
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Mike: Interesting idea - when you soak the wood overnight - I'm thinking you submerge it in the water seal over night?

    Jay

  • December 01, 2012 10:42 AM
    Reply # 1150233 on 1148635
    All exterior brightwork ought to be "Honey Teak" if you are a year round cruiser.  Use any others at your own risk and waste of time.

    I've had ours on for up to 7 years. Recoat once / year sanding with a scotch brite pad and then covering. Still looks great!

    Various pics on my website: http://svelysium.net/blog/

    Ciao
    Last modified: December 01, 2012 2:22 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • December 01, 2012 7:26 PM
    Reply # 1150427 on 1148635
    Deleted user
    What ever you put on, varnish or cetol or honey . Fine, I think it all needs a touch up at least one time a yr. Some things to consider, a good random orbital sander.And some really good sand paper . One thing I like to do is make sitcks with sand paper on the end to get into places that are hard to reach. I have one that is 2 ft. long , I put velcro on the end because I use felt back sand paper. Also get to know your brush. I like Purdy white tip chisel tip. OK 2 more things and this might not be for everybody but it works for me. I use a small artist brush to do detail edge work , I don't mask no tape. Trust me It works. Clean up with Lacquer thinner . Good luck,Merry Christmas and have a glossy New year !
  • December 02, 2012 5:27 AM
    Reply # 1150535 on 1148635
    If you decide to use varnish:

    The biggest mistakes I made when first learning how to varnish was 1) not using a premium varnish and 2) not thinning it to the recommended viscosity during application and 3) not protecting it from the sun.

    1 - I won't get into which premium varnish to use because everyone as their own preference.  Believe me, cheap 'generic' varnish is not cheap in the long run.

    2 - Once you have prepped your teak (cleaning/bleaching/sanding/etc.) the first couple coats of varnish should be thinned oh 60/40 (varnish/thinner).  The following coats should be thinned 70/30 or 80/20. You need AT LEAST 4-6 coats minimum (8 is best).  Apply a couple top coats every 4-6 months (use scrubby to prep surface, clean with thinner) whether you think it needs it or not.

    3 - The biggest enemy of varnish is the sun.  I have Sunbrella covers for everything inboard the caprail.  Guess what parts of the boat I continually have to revarnish? So I am having covers made for the bowsprit, caprail, boom gallows and boomkin made as we speak.  Not of sunbrella (too expensive) but rather of 'industrial' tarpaulin material, the kind used for big trucks.  The caprail will be covered with simple 12" wide strips 10' long with 3" PVC pipe 'clips' to hold it in place.    
  • December 04, 2012 4:44 PM
    Reply # 1152549 on 1148635
    Most of what MIke said is for true Varnish. Honey Teak is entirely different.  No sand paper.  Instead you use a red scotch brite pad.  Scuff up the surface and put on a new coat. NO "high quality" varnish brush. Just use a good foam brush.  The first 4 coats of Honey Teak are an undercoat and can be put on almost immediately one after the other.  The clear top coat again can be put wet on wet. In two days you can have all the coats on and not need to do anything for ....We've gone as long as 15 months before recoating in the tropics and most people could not tell the difference between the new and the old; it still was that good.

    Ciao
  • February 02, 2013 5:47 AM
    Reply # 1196414 on 1148635
    Mike, the clips you are talking about, is that just a section of a pvc pipe?
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