replace tiller with wheel?

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  • February 08, 2012 9:35 AM
    Message # 819797
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    Has anybody replaced the tiller steering with wheel steering? would it be stupid to do it if it could be done?   Sam
  • February 08, 2012 1:02 PM
    Reply # 819971 on 819797
    Why would you want to do that Sam?
  • February 08, 2012 1:35 PM
    Reply # 819997 on 819797
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    Had somebody ask me about it. They said that a wheel was the way to go. Told them that all the W32 that I was aware of had tiller steering and that they have circumnavigated as much or more than any other sailboat thats ever been made. I have also read, I think in 200 tips for offshore sailing, can't remember the guys name, that a wheel was a given for passage making boats. Come to think of it, I did see a W32 on ebay where a guy put 2 wheels on this boat. A strange looking affair. Thought I would ask W32 owners about it.  Sam
  • February 08, 2012 2:10 PM
    Reply # 820027 on 819797

    Sam,

             Generally speaking, a wheel makes it easier to steer a boat due to the gear reduction in the steering pedistal. Thats why you see few tillers on boats more than 40 feet long. However, when steering with a wheel you loose the "feel" of whether she is balanced with the sails. You could put a wheel on a W32 but it requires a penetration of the hull with a boot for the steering arm which is another potential leak. If you do it, a small rear facing teak spoke wheel would have a more traditional look.

    Lee

  • February 08, 2012 2:34 PM
    Reply # 820040 on 819797
    When you are offshore, you will be doing very little steering by hand.  You' must have a wind vane self-steering or an autopilot.

    I saw a W32 in a boatyard once with a wheel conversion.  Sorry, no pictures.  It looked butchered.  In addition, it made an already very small cockpit, completely unusable and probably uncomfortable.  I have no idea if that wheel conversion was effective and reliable.  

    The KISS principle weighs large when sailing.  Few things are more KISS than a tiller.

  • February 08, 2012 3:54 PM
    Reply # 820109 on 819797
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    Lee said it best, it's the number one reason to keep a tiller.  A wheel would take up precious room. Also three boats have been totally lost in the Pacific due to wheel steering failure in the last couple of years. 

    Jim
  • February 08, 2012 4:37 PM
    Reply # 820143 on 819797
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    Thanks guys, yes, I was thinking the same thing. A wheel on a W32 would take up too much room in the cockpit, also I agree the feel of the boat is much better with the tiller. I do believe the wind vane self steering is a must have. I haven't bought my boat yet, but the W32 is on my list. The others that I am considering are, Hans Christian 38 MKII, Tayana 37, Union 36, Young Sun 35. Any thoughts on these boats?     Sam
  • February 08, 2012 8:29 PM
    Reply # 820320 on 819797
    I have seen a few W32's with a wheel, but was not impressed with the installation, or the feel of the steering.
  • February 09, 2012 4:39 AM
    Reply # 820636 on 819797
    Sam,

    I don't wish to beat a dead horse, especially since it's clear you're in agreement with the contributing members. But since a picture is worth a thousand words, I thought I'd show you one that makes the issue very clear.

    A neighbor in the work yard recently purchased an older Columbia 9.6 (31.5') to take to St Croix, USVI. (This boat has wheel steering.) The boat was advertised as being "ready for cruising". He did not have a survey taken before making his purchase. Knowing the reputation of the broker from whom the boat was purchased, I urged the new owner to have rigging, steering, thru-hulls, engine, and other key components carefully checked while he was in the yard "for bottom paint". The list of things that were found were so long, that he's now invested over $10,000 additional funds into "ready for cruising" boat and delayed his departure until next year. Trust me... this guy would NOT have invested the additional money, had he not recognized that these things were absolutely essential for his safety.

    The attached photo shows the steering quadrant, with one remaining strand of wire providing a means for him to steer his vessel. Granted, things can go wrong with tiller steering as well. But the impending problems are infinitely easier to detect. Had this gentleman cast off for St. Croix, taking the broker's word for the boat's cruise-ready condition, he'd probably now be floating aimlessly a few hundred miles offshore, on his way eastward to the catch tradewinds south!




    Amazingly, this isn't the only steering quadrant I've seen in this condition on boats that were purchased from the same broker... all advertised as being "ready to cruise".


    In summary, consider these points regarding tillers (some already mentioned)...
    • A tiller takes up appreciably less room in the cockpit, under sail. 
    • It takes up no room in the cockpit, when raised at anchor. 
    • The rudder angle can be determined with a glance at the tiller.
    • The feel of the steering is more direct and intuitive.
    • Self-steering gear is easier to rig on a tiller.
    • A tiller is lighter, simpler, more reliable, and requires less maintenance.
    • A steering failure at sea is more likely with wheel steering and can be difficult to jury rig a repair.
    • It's difficult to convert a boat from one steering method to another for which it was not originally designed.

    Jack Webb


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  • February 09, 2012 7:18 PM
    Reply # 821284 on 819797
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    Alright, this is where I'm at with this boat search that I've been on for the past year. I have six files of different models. There is a total of about 90 boats in my files. In my W32 file there are 7. I keep coming back to the W32. I had really wanted a Bob Perry boat, but in order to get one, a Tayana 37 or Tashiba 36, Baba 35, your looking at a hell of lot more money. At the same time, I firmly believe that the W32 is the best real " blue water boat " for the money on the market today in this size. Especially for a couple or single hand. That's where I fall in this. I'm not looking for a party boat. I know what I want to do, and after an enormous amount of deliberation, it's apparent that the W32 is the most logical choice for me. Here is where I have to be careful. I must do my homework on the W32 and I'm going to need help. I have a lot of questions. I don't know if this section is right place to post them. Somebody tell me if it's not. I have a certain criteria that I want to meet in the selection. Number one is, and I might catch it from some of you, I don't want teak decks. Even looking at the other boats I decided to rule out the ones that have them. I'm seeing quite a few W32's that don't. Also, is engine size. I wanted a 50 hp Perkins, but one of the W32's I'm looking at has a Beta Marine 1505   38hp engine with I think low hours. Bud, you did the survey on the boat in 2008. How about this Beta Marine, is this a good engine for the W32. I know I'm going to have to invest money in the boat I buy, but I would like it to be 80 to 85% there. I am long winded here, but this is a serious decision for me. I am only going to buy one boat. It has to be the right one. Thanks;   Sam
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