Stay sail boom

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  • February 15, 2016 3:28 AM
    Message # 3822381
    Deleted user

    I just installed the stay sail with boom for the first time and it seems that the boom does not have any room to travel from side to side when horizontal. I measured it, looks like the original boom at 137 inches. Is this right? Do you have any pictures of installation. 

  • February 15, 2016 1:52 PM
    Reply # 3823820 on 3822381
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    James:  If you are saying that the boom doesn't clear the mast -- I had to shorting my staysail boom several inches  to clear the mast. 

    Also when the staysail boom is out to the side it can/does hit the life line stanctions -- as well as anyone in the area.  

    Try the link below and look around. 

      Images of Pygmalion


    Jay

  • February 16, 2016 9:20 AM
    Reply # 3825565 on 3822381
    Deleted user

    That's exactly whats happening.  I will take a look at the rig and the sail and see how or what I will do.

    Thanks for the information. 

  • February 17, 2016 3:49 AM
    Reply # 3826873 on 3823820
    Jay Bietz wrote:

    James:  If you are saying that the boom doesn't clear the mast -- I had to shorting my staysail boom several inches  to clear the mast. 

    Also when the staysail boom is out to the side it can/does hit the life line stanctions -- as well as anyone in the area.  

    Try the link below and look around. 

      Images of Pygmalion

    Jay


    Jay,

    I was curious if you've ever flown your staysail free-footed? And if so, how you compared the two results. It would appear that Drifter might have had a staysail boom at one time, but was removed long before my ownership. I've always be rather happy with the free-footed configuration, but have nothing with which to compare. I've sailed other boats with boom-rigged staysails, but never the W32. Thanks for any comparison, if you can.

    FYI: I get an error on you link.


  • February 17, 2016 8:19 PM
    Reply # 3829025 on 3822381
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jack: 

    I have not tried the loose footed staysail - I assume you mean without the boom - on Pygmalion. The staysail foot is secured on the boom at the clew. 

    I've sailed on Randy Leasures -Tortuga - he doesn't have the staysail boom and has two sheets on either side on the cabin top - each tack the staysail sheets need attention. With the boom the staysail is self tacking. 

    I think I'd prefur the staysail on a furler and no boom - the foredeck would have more room and with the furler - the sail size would be variable - when the staysail gets in the way just roll it up. 

    Hope this answers your question... 

    Jay 


  • February 18, 2016 7:07 AM
    Reply # 3829965 on 3822381

    I fly a loose footed staysail. Or I used to anyway. I'm not happy with the sail shape. No matter how tight I sheet it in it still flies more like a teeny drifter or spinnaker (all 'ballooned' out in a decidedly 'unairfoil' shape). IMO, it's pretty much useless as to it's intended purpose but likely that's because it was cut for use with a boom.  I'd get it recut but don't know what needs to be done.

    Still, I prefer not having a boom in the way on the foredeck.

    Last modified: February 18, 2016 7:13 AM | Anonymous member
  • February 18, 2016 2:06 PM
    Reply # 3830639 on 3822381

    I'm curious if flying the staysail would allow the boom to clear the mast when the staysail is bent onto the stay. The clew should pull the boom up quite a bit and that would allow it to clear the mast. Try raising the staysail at the dock on a calm(ish) day with the outhaul line loose. Then pull the outhaul tight and see if the staysail will pull the boom up and if that is sufficient to clear the mast. Just trying to swing the boom through while it's sitting low without a sail attached may not ne enough to decide if it will work.

    In regards to going boomless, I've changed to loose footed and non self-tending. I think the self-tending concept is a poor design. Yes it clutters the foredeck, but even worse is having it jibe in thirty knots of winds. The staysail is also the right amount of sail and in the right place to heave-to, but without the ability to back the sail to windward it will not work. I can't imagine trying to go forward and tie off the boom to windward so you're left with raising a trysail or triple-reefed mainsail. To tack the staysail with two sheets is very simple. The only trick is to wait until you've sheeted the main and jib, then bring the staysail across and trim. You also need to keep tension on both sheets to prevent the lines from catching on the mast, but that is easy. Also I can't figure out how you would fly a storm jib without a couple of padeyes on deck with snatch blocks. No way would I try to use the staysail boom in any winds above twenty-five knots.


    Last modified: February 18, 2016 2:18 PM | Anonymous member
  • February 18, 2016 2:11 PM
    Reply # 3830641 on 3822381

    Ahoy! indeed Tortuga's staysail is loose footed with a track and block on each side of the cabin top leading back to winches under the dodger. I don't have any feedback of using it on a boom other than its seems like it would be a nuisance on the foredeck. The Staysail is the Rodney Dangerfield of sails. For any upwind work it helps a lot with speed and pointing if trimmed correctly. I use mine all the time and only take it down when really off the wind. Hope that helps! Randy W32 Tortuga 

  • February 19, 2016 4:47 AM
    Reply # 3831934 on 3830639
    Tony Bentley wrote:

    In regards to going boomless, I've changed to loose footed and non self-tending. I think the self-tending concept is a poor design.

    I'm sure that is part of the problem with my staysail as well... My loose footed staysail is rigged to be self-tending.  I'd be curious as to how you have your staysail rigged.


  • February 19, 2016 11:56 PM
    Reply # 3833387 on 3822381

    I have the same setup as Tortuga. #16 self tailing winches, rope clutches, cheek blocks and T tracks with lead cars. Here is more info on the install.

    Last modified: February 19, 2016 11:57 PM | Anonymous member
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