W'32 Water pump replacement advise

  • December 13, 2015 3:54 PM
    Message # 3696980
    Deleted user

    Hi; we are replacing the original water pump from our 1978 Westsail 32; what replacement pump would you suggest; what GPM and PSI ? Also, what water purification system would you suggest?

    Merry Xmas from Coronado!

    Tamra 

  • December 13, 2015 4:00 PM
    Reply # 3696984 on 3696980
    Deleted user

    ...since the boat is an original 1978 should replace all the plastic water lines and if so with what?

    Merry Xmas;

    Tamra

  • December 13, 2015 5:57 PM
    Reply # 3697048 on 3696980
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Tamera:  

    Can you clarify is this the pump for the bilge or galley water or engine?  

    Jay 

  • December 18, 2015 12:27 PM
    Reply # 3709272 on 3696980
    Deleted user

    The pump that we are replacing is the  galley shower water pump.  Sorry for the confusion I should have been more specific.

    Thanks Tamra

  • December 22, 2015 2:21 PM
    Reply # 3714855 on 3696980

    There normally is 1 fresh water pump on a boat.  It is sized for the amount of faucets.  I have the smallest pump that sureflo makes and its fine for the galley and shower/head.

    I installed a par jabsco two years ago and west marine replaced 2 that failed.  I finally used the surflo and it has been great.

    I used to love par but corporate mergers have let it fall too far.

    by the way the plastic piping should be fine.  I use a large (whole house) filter from lowes and it cheap and easy.

    Rich

  • December 23, 2015 8:39 AM
    Reply # 3716130 on 3696980

    Tamra,

    I would agree with Rich that you likely only need 1 fresh water pump aboard, though it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a spare replacement, if you are planning to do any cruising. The fresh water pump I have on Drifter is a older ShurFlo diaphragm pump. It has 2.8 GPM flow at 4.0 Amps and was manufactured in April 1992... obviously reliable. I'm not suggesting that this is what you should buy,only that it's worked well for me. Bear in mind that the higher the flow rate, the faster you'r likely to go through your water supply! 

    I probably have a somewhat Maverick approach to the topic of fresh water pumps and I've always had a somewhat mixed feeling about electric pumps for that purpose. A foot pump works incredibly well and typically holds up longer (My 1992 model may be an exception. 

    But something happened a couple of years ago that made me rethink the solution. One evening, in the dark, I set something on the counter that slightly moved the faucet handle, allowing a slow but steady stream to come out of the faucet. I had background music playing and my pump is fairly quiet, so I never heard it running. But, before I knew it, I had drained a partially filled, 45 gal water tank. I was at a marina and my 2nd 45 gal tank was full, so it wasn't a big deal. But it made think what might have happened if I had been on the hook in a remote location, with one of my two tanks already empty! With this thought in mind, I rewired the pump as follows...

    • I installed a 3-way switch (on-off-on) between the breaker and the pump.
    • One of the "on" sides went directly to the pump hot wire.
    • The other "on" side went to a heavy-duty momentary switch (like an old-time starter foot switch).
    • Then I installed the foot switch on a 45 degree angled panel on the floor, with the wire also connecting to the pump hot wire.
    I normally leave the switch turned so that the foot switch must be pressed in order for the pump to work. If I'm working in the galley, I typically leave the faucet on and activate the pump by stepping on the switch. This is remarkably easier than turning the handle on/off and actually saves water because you don't waste it between turning the handle and returning to using it.

    I personally don't use the pump for the faucet or a shower in the head. I used a Finspray lever pump for the faucet and I have not (and likely will not) install a shower there. I shower with saltwater in the cockpit when on the hook and simply rinse with fresh. This is probably the biggest savings in water usage. When using the 10' coiled hand shower in the cockpit, I turn the switch so that the pump is powered on full-time, rather than going through the foot switch.

    There are a couple more things...

    1. I have a foot pump installed in the galley as a quick backup, should the electric pump fail. The foot pump is not currently plumbed into the system, but I can move the hoses from the electric pump to the foot pump in a couple of minutes. The time-consuming part of the installation is mounting it in place, since it requires a base to be fabricated and a cutout for the foot lever. I don't anticipate needing it, but it's ready in a couple of minutes, if I should.
    2. I do not use a whole system filter on my hookup. I installed one at one time and it worked well with electric pump. It created too much restriction and back pressure, however, for use with the foot pump. So, instead, I use a simple strainer installed inline to prevent debris making it to the pump and/or faucets. This provides no undue pressure for the foot pump.
    3. Since they are plastic, I over-chlorinate them each time I fill them. This prevents and "nasties" growing in the tanks as they sit. Any water that I drink is simply run through a Britta filter first. This is fast, simple, and completely removes the chlorine taste and smell.

    This all works quite well for me. It may or may not work for you, but it's food for thought.

    Jack Webb


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  • December 25, 2015 9:09 AM
    Reply # 3718941 on 3696980

    Merry Christmas everyone.

    Jack is a maverick to be sure, but he could be even more so.

    When we moved aboard Tarwathie 10 years ago, she had no fresh water pump, just foot pumps.  I thought that was one thing I would change because who can imagine living without running water?

    But within a week, using those foot pumps became so second nature, that it became hard to imagine why anyone would want running water.  Such is the nature of the simple life.  As a bonus, I am convinced that our fresh water consumption (0.8 gallons/person*day) is only half as much as we would use if we had pressurized water.

    Similar but different, we can not imagine living without our 12V refrigeration.  But Jeff and Wendy on Calypso are content with their ice box and they can't imagine why anyone would want refrigeration.  So goes it with almost everything.  We are accustomed to the comforts we have, but we don't miss what we don't have.  

    We also ripped out the on-board shower.  We use sun shower plastic bags to take our showers on deck when on the hook (which is almost always). If people are around, we wear swim suits. Showering out in the breeze and the sun is delightful, and the sun shower warms the water in only 30 minutes.  You get extra points if you are patient enough to stand on the forward deck long enough to air dry without using a towel.

    But the larger point is that if you do break the cycle of consumerism and learn to live more simply, you will probably feel liberated rather than disadvantaged.   Consumerism and all those creature comforts do not contribute to happiness.  At least according to countless reports from cruisers around the world.

    The big exception for me is the Internet.  One day without Internet and I feel that I would perish.


  • December 26, 2015 5:25 AM
    Reply # 3719721 on 3718941
    Dick Mills wrote:

    Jack is a maverick to be sure, but he could be even more so.

    I'm not sure what that remark was intended to infer... but, hopefully, I've earned it ;-)


  • December 27, 2015 4:25 AM
    Reply # 3720323 on 3696980
    Jack,  


    You said that you were a maverick on water pumps.  I meant that you could be more of a maverick if you had no water pump at all.


  • December 27, 2015 6:52 AM
    Reply # 3720646 on 3696980

    Ahhh... got it. Thanks for the clarification, Dick. I guess I do still need to earn it. But remember...I can switch back to the foot pump in a couple of minutes. Does that count? And I do have my canvas bucket ready for cockpit showers...

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